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Let’s start an argument!<\/p>\n\n\n

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Pillow Fight by Allen Taylor on Unsplash<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

I am not suggesting the kind of heart ripping, character trashing, irrational, sort of emotional argument like cranky lover’s have. Let’s start an argument like Plato, Socrates, Aristotle or Jesus might have had. Let’s start one of those amazing arguments which ultimately leads us both down a path toward deeper, richer discoveries of truth, beauty and wisdom\u2026 a grand argument of enlightenment!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Remember how Jesus did it? An issue was raised and all he needed to do was ask one question to get the rolling ball halted in its tracks. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cBut what about you\u2026 who do YOU say I am?\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cWhose inscription is on this coin?\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cTell me, John\u2019s baptism\u2026 was it from God or from men?\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

A Cleverly Crafted Question<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Wow! A good presupposition can sure crumble under the scrutiny of a clever question! In fact, really good arguments may be more about crafting the question than presenting your position! A carefully crafted, sharpened to a fine point question\u2026 at just the right time\u2026 makes us think\u2026 makes us reconsider\u2026 and if we\u2019re humble enough, makes us surrender our weaker positions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let’s have the kind of argument which so strongly embraces our shared quest of drawing closer to our mysterious and majestic God, that it forms a bond between us\u2026 so strong; nothing will ever tear us apart! Let’s forge such an indomitable relationship that the rusty ol\u2019 gates of that ancient abyss will rattle with fear! <\/span>
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Stay Unified<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Godly unity builds a firm foundation. From this foundation we will launch massive rockets powerful enough to carry us to the very edge of Heaven itself; this is a foundation which is firm enough to fortify and protect our little slice of that awesome abode right here on Earth. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let’s have an argument which never gives in to the sinful, seductiveness of pride. Pride lives down in that abyss and employs a demon named \u201cDefensiveness.\u201d His approach comes with a smoldering smell of sulfur. He knocks on your door like an unwelcome visitor. Don\u2019t open it! Defensiveness in it\u2019s unbridled form is a beast of an emotion because he defends only the self! <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

When you feel his claws scraping the back of your ears or your neck, flee! Flee quickly! Defensiveness of the self is the first sign of pride rearing it’s head, leering with Gollum-like eyes into your soul. Once he slithers in, he snags your lips and you utter his first ghastly word of protestation\u2026 that little word, \u201cBut\u2026\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Beware. His standard is his emotions and his love of self. In ancient times, Defensiveness stood in the waters of baptism and cried out in a loud voice, \u201cEmotion is Lord!\u201d And to that lord he still bows, constantly, craftily protecting your pride!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Defensiveness can be tamed! There is a secret move you can use to escape his grasp and bring him under Godly control. The trick? Be open. The wicked form of Defensiveness can not live in the light! Light makes him wither and morph! He hates humility. Report his presence. Alert your partners. He is trying to gain a foothold in their hearts as well! Above all, always remember, you personally have nothing to defend. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Your mission is exploration and discovery, not attack and defense. The ground we want to gain and the attack we want to press, is toward greater understanding and wisdom. Sometimes a better victory is found in a very unexpected place.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Best Victories<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Greater victory is often gained when I willingly surrender my most cherished stronghold to your gentle, logical, reasonable presentation of truth. It comes when you win my heart because of your patience\u2026 maybe even more than your postulation.  <\/span>With this kind of victory comes new insight into scripture and a retirement of old positions. This victory reveals a new understanding of a truth to which I was previously blind. It comes because you courted me, you didn\u2019t brute-force your way into gaining my agreement. <\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let’s have an argument where our greatest competition is attempting to out-do each other’s humility, as demonstrated in our willingness to listen carefully, not only to the facts of the matter but the heart of the matter too. Let us have a humility that is willing to ask the questions like those of a sincere, genuine seeker; a humility which always says, “I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let’s Be Wrong<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Our common love for Jesus allows us to enter into some of the most challenging dialogs without fear of failure or the possibility of injury. Our discussions are designed to propel us into rethinking our positions. Let’s agree that if we are not open to the possibility that we could be wrong, God ought not teach us anything new… and probably won’t because we think we have already arrived. Oh, how we forfeit the grace which could be ours when we so arrogantly think we have arrived!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Arguments echoing from the pit of pride prevent God’s grace from pouring out into our lives. Once we are stuck in the muck of pride, it is often the only thing we can find to sling. The stench fills our nostrils and sickens our soul. When we get all dogmatic and stuck in the muck of pride, we stop growing. If we are not learning, we are not growing. If we are not growing, we are dying. Who wants to be in that position? There\u2019s not much excitement in a casket, is there?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Be a Kid!<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

As we begin, let\u2019s purpose to live dynamic, vibrant, curiosity filled lives, like little children! This is why we embrace the argument, because we are curious and eager to learn. This is why A Faith that Obeys was established\u2026 to open a public dialog and debate about the Traditional Plan of Salvation and other issues which will wonderfully sidetrack us from time to time. We are inviting all believers with a Christian world view to join the discussion\u2026 to join the argument!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Join the Argument<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Naturally, everyone is welcome to join, but you gotta know… this discussion centers around traditional Christian doctrines and practices. If you are an observer of our Christianity, please be patient with us. We have lots of issues! Historically, this one, The Plan of Salvation, has been a tumultuous and contentious debate. Now, acridity is not the framework for our discussions nor will it be welcomed here. Let\u2019s have a spirited, lively and is not a frame for discussionloving discourse.\u00a0 <\/span>We are not perfect, but we press on toward that goal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The goal of A Faith that Obeys is to keep us alive by keeping us growing. Never give up. Never give in. Never think we have arrived.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Together, let\u2019s keep striving for A Faith that Obeys!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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