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Christ and the Good Thief – Titan – Circa 1566<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

What about the thief on the cross? Doesn’t the Thief on the Cross demonstrate that baptism is not necessary for salvation? After all, Jesus told him he would be with him in heaven that very day! This is probably my favorite of all objections. Let\u2019s take a look at this fellow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Luke 23:40-43
But the other criminal rebuked him. \u201cDon\u2019t you fear God,\u201d he said, \u201csince you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Then he said, \u201cJesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.\u2019\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Jesus answered him, \u201cI tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

In this objection to water baptism for the remission of sins, people point to the Thief on the Cross and claim, \u201cThe thief on the cross was not baptized and he went to Heaven!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A Quick Side Study<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

When you see the answer to this objection, you will probably say, \u201cOh, yeah\u2026 I forgot about that.\u201d There is a fairly obvious problem with this claim. But, before we get there, let\u2019s have a little fun and get our minds whirling just a little bit. Then I will tell you why using The Thief on the Cross is not a good example for rejecting baptism as integral to the salvation process.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let\u2019s take Jesus at his word, after all, Jesus always tells the truth. He told Thief on the Cross that whatever was going to happen, it would happen that very day. It would not happen sometime later. Jesus told the penitent criminal, \u201cToday, you will be with me in Paradise.\u201d How do we conclude from Jesus own testimony as to when this would occur? That very day. Do we believe Jesus? Of course. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Where did He tell the thief he would meet him? \u201cParadise.\u201d Did Jesus say he would meet him in Heaven? No. He said He would meet him in \u201cParadise.\u201d Well isn\u2019t Paradise and Heaven the same place? <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Listen to this, then you decide. Something interesting happens three days later after Jesus resurrection when Mary, filled with joy, goes to embrace him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

John 20:17
Jesus said, \u201cDo not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, \u2018I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.\u2019<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Who is the \u201cFather?\u201d God! Where is God? In Heaven. It\u2019s been three days, has Jesus been there yet? No. So neither was the thief!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is an entirely different and really fun study. I offer it up just to whet your appetite for deeper, richer bible study\u2026 but it is clear, Jesus did not tell the Thief on the Cross he would meet Him in Heaven. Heaven and Paradise were two different places in the Old Testament economy. Does Paradise still exit? Has it been closed? I don\u2019t know. Maybe you can study that one out and let us all know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Real Reason<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Ok, that\u2019s interesting and certainly worthy of a lot more study, but what is the real reason the Thief on the Cross serves as a bad argument against water baptism?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Water baptism was first commanded by Jesus when He issued The Great Commission. It is not initiated until the day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2. Water baptism is a New Covenant command. The Thief on the Cross died under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is not open for business for another 50 days. So water baptism, introduced by Peter, was not yet in force. The Thief on the Cross could not be baptized because there was no such thing as New Testament baptism! <\/p>\n\n\n\n

In Romans, we learn that baptism is a participation in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The thief could not do this because Christ had not yet died, been buried and resurrected.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Two Protests<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Now you may ask, \u201cBut, doesn\u2019t Jesus have the power to forgive the sins of anyone he chooses and save them?\u201d Yes. And we see many instances of Him doing just that in the Gospels. This authority was available to Him when he walked on the earth. But, He also told us how the forgiveness of sins would happen, after his resurrection. He provided a special prescription which leads to the forgiveness of sins for everyone who obeys the Gospel. It\u2019s called \u201cThe Great Commission.\u201d Today, we simply need to follow His instructions. They are the only authorized way to be saved.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Unfortunately, we always want to do things our own way. We desperately want to believe Jesus will forgive us, just like the thief, if we humbly ask Him, with all sincerity. That will not work. It\u2019s not what Christ told us to do to be saved. We do not have any special permission to deviate from the instructions of The Great Commission. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Again, you may protest, \u201cBut God can do anything He wants. If He wants to save me, because I ask, are you saying He can not do that?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

While God can certainly do anything He wants and save anyone He wants to save, He will be doing it through the framework He has established. We are not authorized to to go beyond that. He is, but we\u2019re not. I believe God is willing to save anyone who comes to him and sincerely asks him to show them the truth and save them. If a person is really sincere, why wouldn\u2019t they be willing to do what Jesus has asked them to do. Why such a fuss? If we reject the Biblical Plan of Salvation, perhaps we are not as sincere as we think we are.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Thief on the Cross, at first, sounds like a really good exception to the rule that a person must be baptized to be saved, but his death was under the Old Covenant. There was no such thing as Christian baptism at that time in history so using the thief as an example of someone who was saved but never baptized doesn\u2019t float.<\/p>\n\n\n\nEnjoy!\n
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\nDana Haynes\n
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